Sunday, December 6, 2009

People care about sports more than politics because it is easier for them to do so. To be educated in politics, people need to read books, learn about issues and controversies and possible solutions. Then people need to generate their own beliefs and thoughts about the issue. It is much easier for society to sit on the couch and watch what ESPN is telling you is important in the sporting world. People as shown in the video, aren't really educated in politics and just pretend to be. When people take that route, its pretty obvious how ignorant you can be.

steve staggs

I thought the video was also pretty funny because it really made you aware of how people who say they are interested in politics, don't really know a whole lot about politics. Politics can be so widely percieved that it's hard for people to be on the same page with it. Also, I think that politics are in sports more than people like to admit. People see politics as corruptive, and don't want to admit that they are in sports.

Friday, December 4, 2009

Video

I think the video with sara Palin was funny. Nobody there new anything really about her or what she was trying to do for the country. Everybody was just saying answers that didnt even make sense. Half of them said that they didnt even know. This shows that nobody knows anything anymore about politics. You have the few people that know about it but for the most part you have people that where in the video that didnt know anything. All they new was that a famous person was goign to be there so they went. Now if someone was go to a basketball game and ask fans about this team and that team playing, im sure the fans could give them answers. People care more about sports then politics because politics are boring to most people. People want things exciting. I feel if they somehow could join with the sports a little it would help a lot and would be able to get things out more.
I think it is hard to say if people care about sports or politics more than the other. I think if you did a random survey and asked people what they cared more about they would say politics, but if you followed that up with some sort of political question, more than likely very few would know the answer. I think people are more interested in sports, but don't necessarily care about them more. Most people realize that politics have a much large impact on our lives than sports do, yet if you walked up to people and ask who the Iowa football coach, I bet 90% could say Ferentz, but if you asked who their congressman was, I think an almost embarrassingly small amount of people would know that it was Loebsack.
That said, we see all kinds of examples of politcs in sports and how they are kind of meshed together sometimes. The steriod issue in baseball is a perfect example. In this instance I think it kind of 'dumbs down' what the meaing of politics are; in the sports world I would just say that it is argueing for one side or another.
I agree with John saying that sports and politics are intertwined. The two go hand in hand. Because both are very important in our culture and are viewed by millions. Each can you each other as a advertisement to get there point across and many athletes and politician have history in both so they feel as if they need to make a statement about it.
I would say that in todays world people do care more about sports then they do politics. I think that in the older generations politics were a bigger deal in the news then they are today. I think this because I feel most people find politics boring while sports are very entertaining. However politics are extremely present in sports today. For example the NFL fining players for celebrations or not wearing the certain parts of there uniform. This is the comissioner trying to have control of its athletes which is an example of politics. But, when it comes to the question of what does the general population care about more politics or sports I would have to say sports.
For me i would have to say that politics and sports are two different things still in their own way. The thing is, is that a lot of time sports becomes involved in politics, just like sometimes politics become involved with sports. There are many examples of this. Like, Obama filling out brackets for the NCAA, or Rush Limbaugh wanting to become part owner of the Rams. There easy accessibility to these things and thats the way society is set up. I do not think it is a bad thing by any means, it just very interesting how we view things. If i were watching a sporting event i would probably not sit there and think there are a lot of politics happening here. You do not really notice until you stop and think about the rules and all of the other small things that come with sports.

Sport and Politics

The answer to this question on do people care more about sports than politics is no. Politics is in everything and literally is everywhere you look. Politics is a way in which people use information, propaganda and reasoning to take a stance on certain issues. We’ve discussed several times athletes making political stances or voicing how they feel about world and national issues. That’s a very dangerous area for athletes to dive into because the weight of their words could be so influential to a person that has no idea on the political issue the athlete addresses. Now I have a totally different opinion and feel sports is more significant than politics simply because politics is something that becomes so skewed. Lies, deceitfulness, and immoral things occur within politics on a daily basis. I turn to sports as an escapism from the troubles occurring around the world and use sports as a way to understand ideologies that shape my understanding on important aspects of life. For example, without reference to Tiger Woods’ new media story, I’ve been able to learn a lot from him, specifically the American Dream ideology. He has worked hard for what he’s earned and he truly is an icon for success in this world. Most of the time when I talk with friends in general conversation politics is not the first thing out of their mouths. So I think that politics is something people generally care about more than sports as a whole but I believe the generation I’m a part of may be tuning out politics and replacing it with things of interest sports, music, etc because its less controversial to some extent.

Thursday, December 3, 2009

Politics & Sports (Jordan Garretson)

I think in general, in our country, people care more about sports than politics. I think a big reason for this is the public's loss of trust for political figures. With the growing amount of scandals and lies from politicans over the years, I think our trust of the political system has gradually decreased.

Then again, on that same note, sports seem to be increasingly "corrupt" as well. More scandals, deaths, crimes, etc seem to be more prevalent in sports today. Still, our interest in sports don't seem to dwindle, unlike in politics.

Also, I believe politics are a lot more easy to just flip on the TV and enjoy. If you're uninformed, it's a lot harder to turn on a political debate rather than a sporting competition if you're uninformed about the two teams.

I think it can be problematic because it can lead to an uninformed voting public, which can lead to either poor decisions in elections, or voter apathy. I feel like the American population also takes the privilege of the right to vote for granted, and it's unfortunate.
Sports are definately important to people, but I think people may care about politics more than sports. A lot of people don't understand the different policies, so they put off the important issues and let the government take care of that. I think people believe their thoughts don't matter when it comes to politics, but with sports their support for their team makes them feel part of something, especially when that specific team wins.
I think that everyone can agree that society views sports way more important than politics. This is due to a few reasons. First of all, sports affect people's daily lives. Hundreds of thousands of people find that it is critical for Oregon or OSU to win so that their team can make it to the Rose Bowl. However, nobody really knows what bills were being passed in Congress today. This is because many of these bills truly dont effect us day to day. Sports are also a lot more entertaining than politics. Athletes perform tasks and feats that are elite that most cannot do. If Obama dunks on Sarah Palin, im sure that many people would watch that aswell. Finally, politics are not in the media the way that sport is. If the news had highlights of votes on bills, I think people would watch that too, but I dont think thats realistic.
I definately believe people care a lot more about sports than they do about politics. People take pride in just about every sport whether it's baseball, football, basketball, etc. Sports are a lot more exciting to pay attention to, and I think easier to follow than politics and some of the issues that are going on with the U.S. People state their opinions on what they believe the U.S. government should do in situations, but it doesn't always mean their opinion is right, or if it is that logical. When things are going bad sports are there to charm people up by the exciting plays and their favorite teams winning. Sports help people forget for a certain amount of time about the other issues that are going on in their lives. An example of this took place at Yankee Stadium the day after 9/11 took place, where the New York Yankees were able to come away with a win.

Politics vs. Sport

I think that most people in America pay much more attention to sports than they do politics. I could be wrong but I know that at my apartment ESPN is on a lot more than CNN, and I feel like this is true with most people, especially college students. In reality, this is probably a bad thing because in the long run sports does not really matter. Many people, myself included, don't know very much about the current policies or issues involved in today's government. They can much more easily name off sport standings or scores. One reason for this is that sports are far more entertaining. How many people would rather watch a football game over a meeting debating the future of our country? But which is more important? With this in mind I think that more people probably need to pay more attention to what is going on in the world of politics, which I think includes law making and governmental policies. Truthfully, though I am not really sure what is considered politics because I will admit that I am not well informed in that area. The fact that people care so much more about sports can be problematic because they will not be well informed when they vote for politicians to run the country. This could make them vote for the wrong person to represent them.

I think that people, politicians especially, realize the impact and following that sports have, so they try to use that following to integrate some of their ideas and gain support. Sports are a great venue for politcians to use because there is such a strong national connection involved with sports.

Sports vs. Politics

I think this is a very interesting topic. To many people, sports are exciting, entertaining, fun. They are thought of as a leisurely activity, whether people are participating or viewing them. Sports are supposed to be fun and enjoyable, and in the realm of things, anyone can participate. On the other hand, many people think of politics in a more negative manner. Politics involve rules and regulations, "bad things" that people don't like thinking about in a leisurely manner. I think this is why many people seem to be more interested in sports. Sports are a hobby for many. Politics often cause debates and fights that aren't easily solved; politics don't seem fun to most people. Although everyone also has the chance to be involved with politics (voting, etc), a lot of the population isn't very educated on a lot of important issues, and there's also the issue of "my opinion/vote doesn't matter, so what is the point?". Although the two issues probably shouldn't be mixed, they obviously are. Sport is one of the main ways is which nationalism comes through. The Olympics are supposed to be a way in which countries come together and all get along and "play", but politics often get intertwined and bad things often occur as a result. So although the two are thought to be completely separate things, they are often sort of melted together.
Like what Brent said it depends on how you were brought up. I'm one of those who is never involved in politics because i'm surrounded by sports my whole life. To go along with that when you were a kid growing up, do you think they really think about politics? When your surrounded by that your whole life then sports is obviously more important. Politics are involved in sports but that depends on who is going to listen and pay attention to them. I also think that being involved in politics also depends on you age. When your younger politics are definatly not a concern but as you grow up and get older then politics become a big factor in your life weather you like it or not.

Sports vs. Politics

In my opinion, sports are 20X more popular than politics of today. There are many reasons for this, but I think the major factor behind this is the fact that sports can be seen and participated in on a daily basis. A lot of the politics of today don't really have any affect on our day to day lives. They certainly can at some point, but I agree with a few of my classmates when they said that society lives and breathes sports. A lot of us grew up loving sports and participated in them all throughout our childhood and adolescent years. Most kids' dreams were to be a famous NBA player or a famous NFL star. More than likely, most kids growing up didn't strive to be a politician. Hell, most of us didn't know what politicians were until our high school years. It just doesn't seem politics are in people's viewpoints until they go to school and learn all about it. The difference in popularity is also seen in the amount of exposure the two have. Sports can be seen on television almost every single night all throughout the year. Politics only gets it's time in the limelight every so often. It's just one of those things that's always there, but not a lot of people pay attention to it. It isn't made any clearer than in that clip that Nik showed us in class. Everyone thought they knew what they were talking about, but most of them knew absolutely nothing. They thought they were caught up on all their party's issues and stances on things, but they made themselves sound like fools trying to explain them. If you were to ask that guy with the Ohio State apparel on about Ohio State athletics, he could probably tell you quite a bit.

BM

I think people probably do care more about sports than politics. The reason for this is because many more people feel the impact of sports on their world than politics. further, growing up you are surrounded by ideas and participation in sports. No parents sign their kids up for 10 year old politic debate club, hence there is more interest in today's youth for politics. When you step back and look at it though it really is a shame because our politics will play a much larger role in our lives over our life time than any sporting event or game but like i had said this just isn't how we are raised. Our society doesn't place importance of politics rather it does sports. I have still yet to vote in any election in my life just because i don;t know the issues or the "politics" involved. Until this year i didn't really care until i started to think about graduation and taxes etc. and how much the governmental policies truly play a role in my life. Who cares who wins the rose bowl, how am i gunna afford to pay for taxes and the tv bill to watch the game?

Sport vs. Politics

I think that as a society it is easier to relate to sport rather than politics because it is an area that most everyone can relate to and is familiar with. When it comes to sport, people grow up either playing it or watching it which gives them a better understanding of sport itself. By being around sport from such a young age, it gives people the chance to continue to follow what may interest them throughout their lives. As for politics, people do not necessarily relate to them at a younger age, which unless you are someone who understands and is interested in them, you will not choose to follow. Politics serve as a way for people to state their opinions and discuss issues that are going on in our country. These topics may not always interest a majority of people because it is not something that everyone might know something about. Sport serves as an entertainment arena in which people can watch without really having to think or express their own opinions.
I believe people care more about sports than politics because people are most familiar and understand sports at a higher level. Most individuals were raised playing sports, watching sports, learning the rules, taking stats of specific games, and how exciting it really is. Politics come at a more unfamiliar level because it is not thoroughly understood. Like watching the clip in class, people were supporting Palin but they really didn’t know her views on many issues. Some of them talked like they knew what was going on but there is so much information on political policies that it can become very confusing and people are not willing to take the time to fully understand politics.

politics vs sports

In today's society the public is largely influenced by what we see in the media. Today sports media have become one of the most popular forms of entertainment. Sports are covered so heavily today, that it is easier to obtain information about sports than politics in some cases. The fact is that younger age groups are attracted more to sports than to politics, and sports media caters to their needs. We are far more informed about what is going on in the sports world then we are about what is going on in politics.
When talking about politics and sports we first have to compare the two. I believe that when talking about one or the other it all depends on which figure or figures we are discussing about. Look at the Tiger Woods fiasco. People love to discuss this issue. It's everywhere. Sportscenter, national news and even local news. He has become such a huge superstar in our popular culture its hard to dismiss this issue. Also, look at former president Bill Clinton. He got indicted from his presidency for performing an act that was too harsh to rebound from. When we compare these two who do you think would recover from this most? Tiger Woods is a global icon, and when talking about sports we always forgive when the athlete performs. Even when former president Clinton's wife Hilary is one of the most powerful women in America, we still hold that transgression against him. So in conclusion, when debating between politics and sports we first have to classify what we are comparing figure vs. figure, or topic vs. topic, and if the two are equal, as stated earlier, I truly believe that our society will always forgive the entertainer as long as he or she performs to our standards.

Wednesday, December 2, 2009

sports & politics

I believe that people care more about sports than they do about politics. Politics is the study of the government of states and other political units. Politics also refers to beliefs, or ideologies pertaining to law and government. I think that sports bring a larger entertainment than do politics and that is why people are more attached and interested in learning about it and watching it. It doesn't take long to learn the rules of sports, yet in politics there is too much for people to understand and follow. I believe that since politics are always changing people begin to lose track and become uninterested. Knowing that people care more about sports than politics is very problematic as we saw in the video. People should care more about politics than they do sports because poltics have a greater impact on our lives than do sports. Just as we saw before that politics has been involved with sports, it shows that politics is found everywhere and that we should take time to learn as much about it as we do in sports.

Sports and politics

The video today in class showed how most Americans are not informed about politics. Many Americans are well informed about sports because they are easier to comprehend. Where as political issues are very complex and confusing which is why in my opinion more people care about sports. Also sports are more entertaining than a political debate. I bet if you asked most americans if they would want to go to a sporting event or a political debate most would say sporting event.
Watching the clip today makes you realize that generally a lot of the population has no clue what they are talking about when it comes to politics and political issues. So in a way i would say that sports are definitely more important to many people in the Unites states than politics. And if its not more important to them they seem to know way more about sport issues than they do about political issues. I think that the biggest reason for this is because sports are more prevalent in the media than politics.
I think the clip we watched today just showed how much more people care about sports that they do politics. Many of those people their had no actual idea of what sara palin stance were on many issues or way they disliked obama beyond just saying that he is going to ruin america. I dont know this for sure but I have a feeling that if you went outside a NFL game and asked facts about the team or players that the fans would all be much more capable of explaining how they feel about the team beyond just saying they represent us well. I think that politics needs to be involved with sports if politicans want to efficitively rely their messages to the american people.

Politics in Sport

Personally I feel and see that people care more about sports than anything including politics. Because people are more likely to watch and attend sporting events, buy and sell sport merchandise, than to vote or discuss politics on an everyday basis. Only time you really hear about politics is when there is a recession, terrorist attack, or if there is a war. Sports to me are put on a pedastal because its entertainment at the highest level in which humans put they bodies on the line to do amazing things. It's a shame that people rather make sports more important than religion as well which should be the strong standing foundation of everyone because we only on this earth for a little bit of time compared to eternal life afterwards. I feel politics should be more important to solve everyday issues and problems that go on in the world. I understand that there will never be peace but I rather get close than not try at all. I'm not saying sports are wrong but I am saying that they shouldn't be that important as they are.
After seeing that video today about the right hand side I thought of a completely new idea on why people like sports more than politics and its very simple. KNOWLEDGE! How many people do you know that can talk about politics for hours without getting bored? None that I know and this is becuase most people are not educated in politics while growing up. Your parents always raised you to understand the cowboys vs. packers not democrats vs. republicans. Without have knowledge on a subject, there is no way you can fully enjoy that subject to its fullest. Those people on the video today had strong opinions about Sarah Palin but lacked any knowledge of what she is about. I think the majority of people in society do not totally understand politics so they never come to actually know it. On the other hand, if you asked somebody what Ochocinco was all about, they could probably give you about ten things including end zone celebrations and child please. It is natural human instinct to favor and discuss something that they understand and are educated on, and in today's society, that just happens to be sports and not politics.
Without a doubt a majority of citizens in the United States would rather talk and watch a sporting event rather than talk or watch politics. Sports are entertaining and something anyone can participate in. That is why I think Americans would rather get involve in sports rather than politics. Also, you have to be very informed on issues debated and educated to understand and properly argue politics. Sport is simple to many people. The thing that would need to change would be values within our country. We put to much importance on sport rather than focusing on world and state affairs. But the main is many people are just not willing to educated themselves on the politics, they rather have someone else do the work for them.
Its hard to say whether or not people's interest in sport overshadows their interest in politics, because I think it varies throughout age groups. I'd imagine that younger groups of people, whether they participate in sport or not, would in fact care more about sporting news or music then they would about politics because at least for now since my parents are still helping me out a lot of what is being done with social security, unemployment, mortgages, and healthcare isn't going to directly affect me for a while. I also think what draws people in to sports over politics is the accesibility of sports in terms of participation and viewing. We can watch a sporting match on live television and it is usually very interesting and full of exciting images or action to keep our attention, but turning to CSPAN to catch some coverage of congress proposing a budget will in my opinion lack the excitement of action sports. I don't know how to specically define politics, but it involves a lot of closed quarters meetings, paperwork, arguments and compromise that I think lack the visual and general entertainment that you can get from following a sport or watching it live on television. I guess another thing to point out is the fact that there is diversity in sport in that whites, African Americans, Asians, Latinos etc. of all different socioeconomic backgrounds can participate or play a sport be it profesionally or on the playground. Most politicians are white wealthy men with elitist connections, and it takes money, sometimes millions, to run in a local, state, or national election which I think limits developing an intrest or participating in politics for certain groups of people. I don't think that the sporting world is a place free of politics, and I think that politicians and people of power have long known how to work the two.
jonathan gimm
I think that the majority of people in the united states enjoy sports more than politics because politics are not very entertaining. people in the united states can relate to sports a lot more than politics and i say this because people like to be entertained.

Tuesday, December 1, 2009

Unfortunately, I do believe that people care more about sports than politics in our country. I think this is because of our priorities. In our society we value entertainment so highly that it often overwhelms the topic of politics. This may because we feel that we are more connected with athletes and sports than we are with politicians in the government. Anyone can pick up a football or basketball and join in on sports but not everyone can walk into a congress meeting or try to pass a Bill. Sports are much more available while we are growing up and politics hardly ever surface in our lives until we become older. For example, we can join sports at the age of 4 or 5 but we cannot vote until we are 18.

Another reason that I feel that sports are more important than politics in our society is because the government officials get recognized the most when they attend sporting events. Some members of our society will see the officials only because they happen to be attending these events, not because they are watching a show on CNN.

steve staggs

I agree witthh willie, i think people would much rather sit down and talk about sports because more people find sports interesting to talk about. I know that if I sat down with a group of people who only wanted to talk about politics I would be bored out of my mind. Sports are simply more interesting to talk about and way more people take interest in them.
It is necessary to understand the word "care" before answering the question. Personally I think most people are interested and socialize more about sports than politics. This is true in are culture because the general public would rather sit around and talk about sports than listen to each other argue about politics. Don't get me wrong politics are very important in today's society, because politics effect economic and social relations involving different events both good and bad. Sports just bring more excitement and fun when it's discussed among alot of people, who enjoy discussing sports and talking about the different things that happened that day or the day before. Like who got dunked on or how many touchdowns did he score. Politics its more difficult to understand and creates serious anger, and makes you want to avoid and do something else. That's why I figured most people care more about sports than politics.

Sports vs. Politics

I think there is no doubt that sport is far more cared about in society than politics. Not only is there countless hours of sports on television, but think about how many people cram into sports arenas and stadiums and pay huge amounts of money to watch a game in person. Think about the Super Bowl and the attention it gets. Or Saturday's in Iowa City in the fall, thousands of people tailgate and enjoy the game. It is a great tradition for Hawkeye fans. If a political speaker was going to speak in Iowa City, it wouldn't draw the crowds a football game does. I don't believe this is problem at all. I'm not saying sports are more important than politics, but they are more entertaining. People like being entertained so sports are viewed as more important because they are an enjoyable experience.
I think that it is not necessarily that people care less about politics and more about sport but rather that sport is something that can be (easily) understood by a much, much higher number of people than politics. The entertainment factor definitely plays a role in attracting more people which is probably one of the reasons that politicians, the President in particular, try to reach out to the people watching sports rather than the news or the newest white house address, by attending games, sporting the apparel, or contributing to sporting charities or big events. Sports bring people together in a general understanding and sense of being united by a common activity that many have shared and have built themselves upon or grown up on. Not many people can say that about politics, or rather a much fewer number can really say that.
I believe that sports and politics although very separate in their role in society will always representing one another. Politics affect the sport in which it is played and what it is being played for. Not only do sports represent nationally but victories are linked to the country overall. The current events at any given time between countries are and will affect the nationality associated with sport outcomes. Although at the same time, political professionals are associated with and for sports during their careers. Not only will sports and politics not be separated but they will also not be separate from their country. I believe that political officials just like the rest of the American people will have ties with in sport and whether or not this causes collisions, it is a reality today.

Monday, November 30, 2009

steve staggs

I think that more people enjoy sports than politics. People tend to like sports more than politics because I think it is easier for them to understand sports than politics. Also, a lot more people can say that they have experience with sports rather than politics so naturally people are going to enjoy something they have a background in more.
In my opinion, I think at times people do care more about sports than politics. Obviously, politics should be the more talked about issue because they control our country, but it seems to me that people would much rather talk about sports than politics. I think sports are alot more intriguing and politics can seem a little bit boring at times if you're not talking to the right people about the subject matter. Politics come up in sports, but rarely I think.
I don’t think people necessary care more about sports than politics. I just think it is a matter of entertainment. People would rather be entertained than learn about politics. I think that people do want to learn more about politics but they aren’t willing to give up their sports. That is one reason I think why politicians try and mix sport and politics to effectively reach this audience this sport audience that otherwise wouldn’t be involved in political processes.

Sunday, November 29, 2009

Politics in sport




The last two weeks we have discussed nationalism and sport, and viewed two films in which sport in some shape or form was used as a vehicle for nationalistic expressions. Earlier in the semester we had a discussion in which numerous people expressed they believe many people care more about sport than politics. I would like this to be the focal point of our discussion this week. What do you think? Do people care more about sports than politics? What are politics? If so why do you believe that to be true? Is this problematic if this is the case? Additionally, we have discussed many instances this semester where "politics" have been involved in sport, what does this say about notions that politics and sport are two separate things?

I have a lot of thoughts about this particular issue, however, I would like to see where you guys end up with this. So instead of posting my own thoughts this week, I am going to post some quotes that come to mind when I think about this issue.


We don't need no education
We dont need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.


"Wrong, Do it again!"
"If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you
have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?"
"You! Yes, you behind the bikesheds, stand still laddy!" (Pink Floyd)

Tuesday, November 24, 2009

Miracle

There were a lot of social contexts surrounding the game between the USSR and the United States, but the most significant was probably the Cold War. Essentially both countries were worried that they were in danger from the other. During this time there was serious tension between the USSR and the United States. The USSR was doing a lot of things that the United States did not agree with and wish they would stop and vice versa. One of these was communisnm and another was invading Afganistan with their troops. The US was worried that they might force their communist forms of governments on other countries around the world. Another thing that was going on during this time was the American hostage crisis in Tehran and the economy was slumping and there was a gas shortage.

As far as sporting contexts go, the USSR hockey team was basically unbeatable. They hadn't lost an Olympic match since 1968 and had won every Olympic gold since 1960. They had also crushed the NHL All Star team earlier that year and beaten the US team in an exhibition match.

In the movie the sporting contexts were much more relevant than the political contexts because much is made about how good the USSR team was. However, they did sprinkle in some of the political contexts by showing all of the nationalism and what was going on during the time with a collage of clips at the beginning. They also highlighted the gas crisis as well as the fact that the game almost didn't take place because they president called for a boycott of the games that were to be held in the USSR because of them invading Afganistan. They also used the news from the TV to show other news stories from that time.

I felt a lot of American Pride during the game in the Olympics. I also felt a lot of American Pride when Rizzo said that he played for team USA. Both parts gave me goosebumps. As an athlete I would think that representing your country in competition (and doing well) would be the greatest accomplishment you can achieve. During these times in the movie I wanted to chant USA along with the crowd. However I would disagree that this was like the Palestinians from One Day, mostly because the Americans were showing their pride on the the playing field and they weren't harming anyone to do so. The Palestinians killed innocent people to show their pride for their countries, where as the Americans in Miracle just did so by playing hard, wearing red, white and blue and by chanting and cheering on their country.

Monday, November 23, 2009

No matter how many times I watch the movie Miracle I never fail to get goosebumps. The context of those Olympic games was so much more than competition for the entertainment of the fans. The Cold War was, as stated in the movie, the "coldest" it has ever been and the communist were hated by many of the capitalist in the world, attempting to gain more power than many thought they deserved. Also, the Iranian hostages and the invasion of Afghanistan brought even more tension to the games, especially the game between the US and USSR. The US was dealing with a struggling economy and this hockey team seemed to be the heart beat for the nation, giving everyone morale and high hopes.

I did not get to experience the real event, but just watching it gives me a strong sense of nationalism towards my country, the USA. The players on our team represent the qualities of our country. Hardwork, dedication, trust, family, the list goes on and on. The perseverence the players had and the trust they had in each other allowed them to conquer any path that they had to cross.

The Soviets were portrayed almost machine-like. They showed very little emotion and had a sense of cockiness about them. They acted as if they ruled the world. But when things went wrong for them, they began to rely on an individual rather than pulling together as a team like the US did. This can be represented in their communist style of government, relying on one power to control all situations around them.

Sunday, November 22, 2009

Miracle

I think the biggest because connection I saw was how bad we wanted to beat Russia, but not only because they were best, but because what was going on. The Cold war was going on and despites with other nations. The biggest was with Russia and because that was going on we wanted to beat them in hockey as well. By doing that it would show that we are stronger. That is what the people felt like.
As Nik had as one of his favorite parts was when Mike Euroizone said he played for Team USA when they were doing splints after there first lost this was also mine. This to me just brought everything together. It showed that they are finally realizing the big picture and not thinking about them self’s. One of my other favorite parts is when the Coach brings in the other player to take Mike Euroizone spot and after some of the players go up to him and tell him they don’t want him, because they are a family. I loved this part, because it showed that people from other parts of the country, who were all, brought up different call themselves family.
I think they felt amazing for there people. People in different countries look at things different then what we do and us them. We all aren’t the same and nobody thinks we are. For us some things would be evil and unjust where as others it is gladly done and rewarded for sometimes. So I feel it is almost the same feeling as we got with Miracle. Different looks on it but the same feeling.

nationalism

The Olympic games is more than just winning a gold medal.  It is about representing your country to the fullest.  For Olympians to stand on top of an Olympic podium, but to stand atop of the podium while they play your countries national anthem would be an enormous accomplishment and unbelievably good feeling.  Every country wants to have the best athletes because it represents power in their respected country.  It is also very positive recognition for a country that does well in sporting events.

Miracle

The movie "Miracle" was really an awesome movie. It really brought out every aspect of what being American really meant. While watching this film, I couldn't help but have a huge sense of nationalism towards the United States. America has always been seen as a huge powerhouse in everything, and for once, we were considered not a huge powerhouse, but as a huge underdog. For that team to rally around each other and have the enormous support shown from the crowd was really something to admire. The context of this movie illustrated an intense yet depressing scene. The U.S. was going through a lot at the time with the Cold War with Russia, trying to solve the economic hardships that were taking place, and to top it off, numerous hostages were taken at an American Embassy by Iranian terrorists. It was a grim scene, and for that many people to be able to go to this hockey game and still be able to support the U.S. hockey team is really something to admire. I definitely felt a strong sense of nationalism when that was seen in the film. For our nation to be going through such hard times and still show their support like they did is something that made me feel darn proud to be an American. Another scene in the movie where a strong sense of nationalism was brought out of me was when the whole crowd kept chanting "USA, USA" throughout the game. I cant imagine how the U.S. players felt when that's all they could hear. It gave me goosebumps watching it.

Comparing the nationalism that I felt to those of the Palestinans that took the Israelites hostage is like comparing hot and cold. My, a long with the people of the U.S.'s nationalism is illustrated in a lack of a better word, good way. We cheered on our team and did things the right way. The Palestinians, on the other hand, took their nationalism to extremes that are definitely considered terrible. Feeling that they had to capture and eventually kill members of another country's team is a whole lot different than booing the team of another country. That's just something that I cant fathom.
With the events that were going on in the United States and the Cold War taking place, this was more than just a hockey game for many. The US was going through a time where the economy was awful and people needed something to take there mind off what was going on and the Olympics are an event many follow to support there country. The game with Russia was big for the US because Russia had been the dominant team for many years while the US had struggled and because of the Cold War between US and Russia. A few scenes where I felt nationalism were when the crowd was chanting USA before the beginning of the last period and when the player said he played for the United States of America instead of his college. I think the nationalism I felt could be the same the Palestinians felt. While what they did is clearly wrong, the Palestinians view the terrorists similar to how the United States views the 1980 US hockey team.
this win for the US was huge. this not only showed what we can do when we want to do it but it showed heart and intensity. both teams showed nationality and represented each country. because of this it made America so mch stronger. It shows people that the "unstopable and unbeatable Soviets" are actually mortal. This also showed other countries what we can do not just the Soviets. This was huge and still is at this time.

Mircale: A time when America needed one

The major social context surrounding this game I believe is that the Soviet Union and the United States of America were once allies in Word War 1 and World War 2 and were then enemies for the this period of time. Nuclear weaponry was introduce during WWII and during the Cold War if there had not been some major negotiating by U.S. President Ronald Regan the world may have seen its first nuclear war. Other major issues to understand about the time are that the U.S. was heading into a recession. This meant goods such as gasoline were inflated and unemployment was high so Americans were living during a time when things were unstable, not knowing where the U.S. stood on their relations with the Soviet Union and many not knowing if they would be able to provide necessities for their families.

There is a specific scene in the movie where the team doctor and the assistant coach are getting gas. The movie depicts there being high gas prices and people protesting those prices, also over the radio they here about certain things happening during the Cold War. I cannot remember the entire scene but I specifically remember that assistant coach tell doc that the USA hockey team can give the country something to cheer about or be proud about so this is showing a great connection of during turmoil people may turn to sports for stability in the world.
I do not follow hockey intensively, yes I know who wins the Stanley Cup every year and I know that during this time frame the Russians dominated the sport of Hockey globally but this movie is not really about hockey it is about nationalism and how one can stand by their country and be proud to be an American. I had mentioned in class that one time every four years I watch swimming. I would probably watch more if it was televised but the Olympics are a big deal and what Michael Phelps did was truly sensational and I was indeed happy for him and proud that he was from our country. There were two distinct points that I felt a since of pride to be from America during the movie. When the team is doing sprints after a loss and then a team member finally says he is from USA. It kind of showed that if they were going to win the gold medal they were going to have to do it together and then with the outside circumstances of the Cold War and recession that is how America was going to press on as well by sticking together and becoming one. The other instance was the speech that Herb gave to the team right before playing the Russians. It just totally set the scene for a dramatic finish but also just showed how much that game actually meant to USA as a country the whole nation was ready to stand behind them and cheer them on to victory.
I would say that my feelings are not similar to the Palestinians act in during the Munich Olympics because truly I would be dishearten and upset that somebody from my country that I love and standby would choose to take people’s lives because they wanted to change certain circumstances that were in my opinion out of their control. I have always wanted USA to be represented as the free country that we are and that everyone is accepted and treated equal. So I would have a hard time if Americans were to pull a move like the Palestinians did if it was not for the greater good.

Miracle (Garretson)

The context surrounding the game made it much more significant than just a sporting event. Both the US and the USSR were right in the middle of the cold war, and the Soviets had recently invaded Afghanistan. Sports-wise, the Soviets had been dominating international play, and entered the games having won every gold medal since the 1960 games.
The article presents a sort of an idea about both teams paralleling their nation's ideals, like when with the following:
Therefore the Soviet squad was often referenced as the veteran team "drawn chiefly from officer-players of the Central Army Sports Club in MOSCllW" (Klose, 1980, p. F4). The US players "play like hell."
Coach Brooks kind of attested to this feeling with what he said in his phone conversation with President Carter, saying that the team's victory showed thatt he American way of life was the proper way to continue, as if the win verified that.
You could see these sort of cultral differences addressed in the movie, for instnace, when the US players are watching film on the Soviet team. One makes a comment about the Russians never smiling, and another replies by saying "They're Russians, they get shot if they smile."
There are many instancesi n the movie where I felt a sense of American pride. Obviously, when the American team defeats the Russian team, that's probably the biggest moment. Otherwise, I would have to agree with Nik on Eurizone saying where he is from when the team is skating lines. Brooks halts the conditioning/punishment as soon as Eurizone says he plays for the United States of America - it's as if thats all he needed to say, and that made me feel a great deal of pride as an American.
I think you could draw comparisons to the Palestinian nationalistic feelings from the Munich games. In both cases, people felt an tremendous deal of pride for their countries. The Palestinians used violence as their vehicle to achieve this pride and gain notoriety, while the Americans achieved this recognition and experienced this swelling of pride because of athletic accomplishment.
The game between the U.S. hockey team and the Russians at the Olympics in 1980 was significant because of the relationship between the United States and Russia politically at the time. It was during the Cold War where Russia was trying to gain more control and the United States was trying to keep peace. This wasn't just a hockey game but a political statement. During the time leading up to the game in the movie there was a sense of American nationalism these coaches and players portrayed. First was what they gave up to play in the Olympics. They all had the opportunity to make a lot of money instead they wanted to represent their country. There was also a specific part of nationalism that stood out to me. The time they had to stay after the game and sprint, then at the end the player yelled out his name and said he played for the United States. In the beginning they all said their separate colleges. When this happened it showed the rest of the team and the coaches that this team is about unity, pride and working together as one. This made me think of the United States doing the same thing politically. To accomplish the peace between countries they had to work together. This team showed many specific examples of taking pride in representing their country. The main thing that I thought represented this whole movie was the belief they had in one another. This game gave the United States a reason to believe that things were going tobe alright. If we worked together we could overcome any obstacle.
The U.S. vs. the Soviet hockey team in the 1980 Olympics was not only significant for the players but the U.S. as a whole. The unexpected win over the soviet union was exciting, exhilarating and empowering. The two super powers were competing for political and economical reasons. The U.S. was thought to be inexperienced and young while the Soviet team was experienced and old in their performaing arts. Sports, expecially the olympics were thought of as a way to represent one's nationality and to show nationality for the country as well. Patriotism and nationlism were seen through out this game and supported the country as a whole expecially for the cold war that was occuring at this time. The win mobilized the team, the country and the facts of what represent patriotism and life. Achieved was spirit, life and success not only on the ice but off the ice in all parts of the country.
The 1980 us vs the soviet union has many things that make up the social context of the game. During this time the cold war was going on which was a arm race between the us and ussr and these two countries competed in everything against each other. Also during the games there were the hostages at the us embassy in iran. A third major event that was taking place was that the economy in the USA has very bad at this time and many people had lost their jobs. These three things gave americans a very dim and gloomy outlook on their country and how they felt about being a citizen of the us. That is why the hockey game was so important. It was something for the USA to get excited about and feel proud about again. There were many times during the movie when there were scences of nationalism and national pride. For example the intense chanting of U S A during the game then when the coach gathers his players and tells the listen to the chant. Another example is how he reminds his players that they are playing for their country not just for a gold medal.

1980 Hockey Symbolism

The 1980 USA Hockey team was an extremely symbolic event for the US and Russian competition. The social context of the game definitely played a large role in the competitive nature and sense of pride and nationalism in each team, since it was during the Cold War and Russia had been trying to dominate while the US was attempting to enforce peace-keeping. Russia had dominated for years as a powerhouse as they had been trying to do politically as well. The US's chance to show Russia that they could be beat both politically, and in a sense of sport, was through this competition of the powerhouse and the underdog favorite. People thought it couldn't be done but the sense of nationalism and pride in one's country, depicted in many ways throughout the film brought the USA Hockey team to an entirely different level. For example, when the US coach keeps the hockey team (primarily made of college players) stay after the game and make them do sprints until they can barely stand, and finally, a player stands up, states his name, and that he plays for the United States of America, it brings a sense of pride and shows the coach that they in fact do play for "the name on the front, not on the back." Throughout the film there are many example of this sense of nationalism, especially during the game when the coach motivates the team to bring their nation together. By beating the Russians, they prove to the world that the Russians can be beat in many different ways. Throughout the film there were many times I felt a sense of pride and that I could relate to to the players attitudes. When they speak up to the coach, work out until they cannot stand or even breathe, and when they are on the ice and the people are chanting "USA", it definitely impacts the thinking and sense of pride in one's country. I understand this sense of pride to be similar to the Palestinian pride as depicted in the film, however there was no physical competition, or knowingly bringing together a nation under their flag to fight for what matters.
The significance of the US-Russian hockey game from the '80 Olympics stems from the Cold War. From purely hockey standpoint, the Russians were this great team that had dominated competition; the U.S. team was a bunch of college kids. The articled described the Russian team as planned, subsidized, and continous. But the significance, as I said, stemmed from the Cold War. The game represented two major world powers going head-to-head. The game represented a clash in values; Russian's communism vs America's capitalistic society, just to name one. So when the American hockey team won, it was more of a win for Americans over the Soviets.
I'd never seen the movie before we watched it in class; it was very good film. One scene I liked a lot and sensed some Nationalism was the scene where some of the players wanted to talk to Brooks outside to the bus. Brooks wants to bring on another player after the roster had been set and one of the guys tell Brooks that the team is a family. I thought it was symbolic of how everyone had gotten behind the hockey team, just as the team had kind of rallied around one another.
The story of the 1980 U.S. hockey team is a story of what it means to be a American. The hockey team were big time underdogs against the Soviets and had lost to them in a previous match up 10-3 just 3 weeks before the "Miracle on ice." The game proved to be more than just a hockey game as we were also in a civil dispute with them, known as the Cold War. USSR hockey team was known as the best and their country was gaining ground on us for world power. I am not saying that this game broke the Soviet spirit that eventually ended the Cold War, but it played an important role in knowing that anything can happen and there is not just one great nation or team out there.

Saturday, November 21, 2009

Metcalf

The context of this movie is very important to the actually importance of this game and why winning this game became so important for the American team. In the beginning of the movie it reveals that this took place during the cold war where there was tension between the Russia and the United States. This built up the game and the since of nationality that these men had because it became a way to show power and strength. A lot of times we talk about sporting events being like war and this was truly acting like one. I think you feel the most since of nationality when the coach and teams start to talk about the "us vs them" mentality or the fact that it is not just a hockey game but it is USA vs. Russia. I think this can be sort of related to the Palestine event, because they were tying to show how strong their country is. The only different is the fact that this was an actual competition. To be identical or comparable for that matter the Palestine's would have needed to do something like have a surprising team finish etc.
The context of this movie was very important because it was during the cold war going on and the U.S. was in tough economic times. The context played a big role in the event because even though it was a hockey game it became an event that meant more to people than just some game. It was another fight between the U.S. and the Russians. Then you add the fact that it was a bunch of young college kids against a team that was the most dominate team in history and that had played together for so long. It added a huge sense of pride for people watching the game. There was a couple of points in the movie were i felt a sense of American pride, the speech at the beginning of the last game, and when the U.S. team defeats the Russian team would have to be the two biggest. I really felt like they had accomplished something that meant a lot on a political level at the time and they won that game for their country more than anything. As far as comparing it to the Palestinians i don't really think its the same as far as the event but i can see how their country felt and had a sense of pride for them. The main difference is one was a athletic event and the other was a terrorist act. But the tie to ones country in war is very similar.

Friday, November 20, 2009

steve staggs

I thought the movie demonstrated what America was about at that point in history. People who would fight through adversity no matter what the circumstances were, and come out on top. The fact that we were at war with Russia was also significant. We demonstrated our dominance through sport. I know a hockey game and a war are totally different things, but to just about everybody around the world it meant more. It gave Americans a heightened sense of pride and almost brought the country closer together.
The movie Miracle is a great movie, especially when you add in what context it was in. This took place in a time where we were not very fond of Russia, and they weren't very fond of us. This was also known as the Cold War, a time where each country was ready to blow the next one to bits but nobody would pull the trigger. To add to that, our economy was in the dumps, gas prices were rocketing up, and the USSR just happened to be the most dominant hockey team in the world. Adding all these things together, it makes an already exciting and tense Olympic games, a little more exciting.
There was many great moments in this movie, but the one that really got me geared up was when after the second period the crown is chanting "U-S-A" in unison and Herb Brooks gives his speech on being able to beat the Russians. It really displayed how much appreciation these fans felt for these college kids representing there country against one of the most dominant nations in the world in the USSR. It also was really the moment where I thought the team really came together as one instead as individuals. There was a sense of comradery during that moment that really hit me. In a way I do believe this is how the Palestinians felt, but there actions were much more radical than ours so I would like to believe that it was only a small group of palestinians that felt that way, although I am not sure that I am right. I think they are very loyal to there country just as we are, but that is about where the similarities stop.

Miracle

The social context of the movie is how sport, more specifically, the 1980 USA hockey team was able to pull off one of the biggest upsets in sports history over the Soviets. At this time not only were the Americans involved in the Cold War with Russia, but there was economic problems in the USA, as well as an event involving Iranian hostages. It was a time of turmoil, and this hockey game gave Americans a sense of pride and belief, to help with the troubling times. By defeating the Russians in the game, it was more than just a sport victory, but a political victory over our enemy at the time. Even though I was not alive at the time, I feel a great sense of American Pride watching this movie. When Al Michaels said, "Do you believe in Miracles?" it really gives me a sense of pride. I love this country, so whenever there is an event where we overcome an obstacle, it's a great feeling. In a time where the country was in turmoil, we overcame a fierce opponent to give Americans a feeling of pride and belief. When comparing this to the Palestinians and the feeling toward their country, it is hard to believe they might have had the same feelings as we did during the Miracle on Ice. I believe the Palestinians were doing this more to hurt the Israeli's, as compared to pride for their own country. The American's wanted a sense of pride for the country. We never endangered lives, like the Palestinians.
Being a huge hockey fan and playing the sport for the majority of my life, when this movie came out I couldnt miss it. Everyone who has played hockey knows about the 1980 US hockey team and what they did at Lake Placid. One of the top upsets in all of sports history, the college kids from around the US shocked the world by beating the best team in the world at the time, the Soviet Union. The Soviets had won the previous 4 gold medals and before the Olympics, destroyed the NHL All-Stars. No one gave the group of college kids any chance at beating the Soviets. Every time I watch this movie I get goosebumps. This was not just a hockey game it was a chance for Americans to rally around a group of individuals to boost the moral of a country that was in need of a spark. At a time when the cold war was going on between the US and Soviet Union, the American hostage situation in Tehran, and maybe most importantly, the United States was in a tough time with the economy, the 1980 Olympic hockey team gave reason for hope and belief throughout the United States. At the beginning of the move it showed the assistant coach and the "doc" in their car listening to the radio. I cant remember exactly what was said but it was something about the Soviet Union invading Afghanistan. While they were listening to it the movie showed the dozens of cars lining up to get gas, because the supply of gas at this time was very poor and it was also pretty expensive.

I felt a sense of American pride when Al Michaels siad the line that will ever be linked to this movie and American history, "Do you believe in miracles? YES!" This is one of the many parts in the movie that brings goosebumps to me. When Herb Brooks gave his pregame speech I also felt a sense of pride because the whole team knew exactly what they were up against and what they were fighting for. This was no ordinary hockey game and they knew that going into it. I also have had the privledge to meet Mark Johnson who scored two goals in that game. I played hockey agaisnt all three of his sons and I also played on the same team as the youngest son Patrick, who is now a member of the Wisconsin Badger hockey team. I've been to the Johnson's house in Madison and have had the chance to see and hold the gold medal. Mark also has his jersey gloves and stick that he used in the game agasint the Soviets hung up in his house. Getting the chance to sit down with him and talk to him about this historical event was something that I will remember for the rest of my life. Just hearing how much pride he had wearing that jersey that had USA on the front was unbelieveable.
The social context of the movie and the sport alone was how hockey was able to bring a bunch of different hockey players together as one. They all were from different places and and played hockey for different institutions. The coach was a very tough coach who pushed them to the max as if it was not the U.S.A. team. He pushed them like they were his own university team or his own kids. Normally when people play for any type of U.S.A. team, the practices are more slowed tempo or more laid back. Whereas, he made sure their practices were very intense and hard working. I think at the end, this definitely paid dividends for the team as they beat Soviet Union in which they were a HUGE underdog in and they had got blown out in a previous scrimmage. I think this win at the end showed the team's resiliency to overcome hardships and get the job done.

Thursday, November 19, 2009

The social context of this event is how the sport of hockey alone was able to brighten the spirits of the United States civilians by beating the Russians, even after the Russians had won the gold medal four times before the 1980 olympics. This movie showed the great pride people take in supporting their country, especially during the difficult times, such as, the Cold War that took place during these olympic games. I felt a sense of American pride after they beat the Russians while Craig, the goaltender, and some of the other players wrapped themselves with the American flag, and the home crowd going crazy after this "miracle." Though it was wrong, i feel like my feelings could be considered similar to those of the Palestinians because they showed great sense of pride for their country just as I do after a victory for the US. To the Palestinians the people that represented their country were considered heroes just as the 1980 olympic hockey team was considered heroes.

Miracle

I think the social context is how even during the time of the cold war sports can bring people together which is what I feel sports were created for. This miracle might not have took place if the US would have been forced to boycott the games. The part that i liked the best was when the coach had already picked the team on the first day of tryouts. This made that one man very mad he thought it was the group decision. The coach told him he knew what players he wanted. Then another guy said these aren't even the best players. The coach said we don't need the best players we need the right ones to play as a team. This made me proud because even though we might not be better than the russians we could still beat them if we play as a team. I also don't feel you could compare this movie to One day in september because miracle is about how a game can bring pride without huritng anyone and one day in september is sick how those people celebrated after those people died.
First of all i think the social context is to show what some societies are like and how we may view them. The Russians in the beginning look just like stuck up hockey player. We did not see but i believe in the end it helps us to see that the Russians were very positive towards the Americans for winning. Another thing i think this showed us in a social context is that Americans are fighters and will always do what it takes to win. As for a political side, this was all taking place during the cold war. This showed the Russians and the Americans involvement and how possibly this game or miracle could have never happened because the us could have been forced to boycott the games. One part in the movie that made me feel proud of my patriotism is when the coach made them do lines. It showed that individually we do have our own thoughts about our selves but in the end we are always together as a team. The example was when the player said he played for the United States of America. Overall, i like this movie very much and i think it portrays Americans and how we approach situation like these very well.

Tuesday, November 17, 2009

Miracle


By the end of this week we will have watched a documentary and a film that both deal with nationalism and sport. For this week there are some specific questions I would like us to think about. First what is the social context surrounding this game? This should include political and economic events, and sporting history. Use the article and the beginning of the film to help you figure out this question. The article makes many connections between politics and sport, do we see any of these connections portrayed in the movie, if so, how is it done?
Finally, I want you to discuss any points in the movie where you felt a sense of American pride. More, specifically identify (if any) scenes where you were engrossed emotionally in the movie or felt proud to be American. I then would like you to discuss if you believe your feelings could at all be similar to what the Palestinians from One Day in September might have felt about their own country.

As I have said many times in class, I love the sport of hockey. Ever since I started playing at the age 0f 11 I have been addicted. Today I still play competitively, I play fantasy hockey, and follow my beloved New Jersey Devils. I saw the movie Miracle when it first came out and I loved it. AS I also said in class I have been to Lake Placid, and walked into the rink where this game happened. My love for the game of hockey combined with the history at that specific rink left me with goosebumps. When I watch the movie there are two specific scenes that really stick out emotionally for me. As cliche as the scene is, when Herb Brooks has the team doing sprints after their first game and Mike Euroizone finally says his name and that he plays for team USA I still get fired up. Additionally, at the very end when Al Michaels says "Do you believe in Miracles? it makes me happy and excited, and I feel proud of that team. However, despite all these great feelings I do realize the importance of looking at these things critically. I think this is exactly the same feeling people who commit acts of violence for their country experience, it is just manifested in a different way. Also, the numerous ways in which this game is connected symbolically to the Cold War highlight the ways in which politics and sport are constantly intertwined. This also makes me think of how sport was used to foster nationalism after the events of 9/11 and what it makes me realize is that it is great to have love for one's country, but I think critically questioning nationalist ideology really shows pride in your country. This is because you are questioning your nation and working to make it better.

Sunday, November 15, 2009

From watching this video it was really sad how everythinng happened. It showed me as a person that nationalism isn't always looked at as an postive kinship. It showed that other countries look at it in a totally different way than in some of the other countries. Like when the man was defending himself about how it was a good thing how everything happened and wouldnt take it back if it would have happened again. This just sshowed me how other countries look at nationalism in a different way than how I was described nationalism is to me.

Nationalism

The areas I saw the ideas of nationalism being played out were with the revoluntaries being imprisoned in all the different countries therefore they set them up to be released as some sort of justice with holding the Israeli and Palestinians athletes as kind of a ransom for that. I feel that nationalism interfered with the Olympic games by esseintially killing innocent athletes who deserved every bit to compete in the games as any other athlete from other nations. The sad part is that sports are a way of getting away from all the negative issues in the world instead they were brought into them which had a negative effect on the games and everyone relating to them. The event itself was tragic because it shows the world the type of people that exist and the things that they do.
I got a very different point of view of nationalism in this video. I have never really thought about nationalism or what it meant until I saw this video. It showed me what nationalism was and what it meant to people and also how important it was in other countries like Israel. I think videos like these somewhat make you view things in different context and take in other people's opinion.

Friday, November 13, 2009

For me, the video gave me a new sense on what nationalism can mean to people. Before I've always thought of nationalism as a positive thing; going to the olympics and performing well, perhaps winning a medal would be an example of this. I guess my own view of what nationalism is was based on my viewpoint of what is positive. But after seeing the video, that changed completely because I obviously don't agree with what the terrorists did. However, they felt it was what they had to do for thier country/people, so they did, which from their point would be considered nationalism.
I found this documentary very interesting. I didn't really know a whole lot about the events that took place in those Olympics- "One Day in September" was a huge eye opener. I couldn't believe the actions of the Palestine terrorists and the German government. I think the one main thing that really stuck out to me about nationalism was when the Palestine man talked about how he was happy about what happened and wouldn't want to take it back. It really shows different forms of nationalism that people around the globe have. Horrendous acts were committed and this man, along with many others, don't even feel guilt or shame about it- they are proud of what they did.
Sport and nationalism were definitely intertwined in this film. I think the Olympics are meant to bring countries from all around the world together to bring unity and promote peace through sport by representing all nationalities. They show that people from all different races, cultures, etc. can have similar interests (sports, in this case)- and they get to represent their country while they compete- which brings a sense of pride (nationalism). This particular Olympics showed where nationalism can be taken too far.
This film made me see nationalism in a different light. I had always thought of it as a good thing for the most part (showing pride and feeling proud of where you came from always comes to my mind when I think of nationalism), but the document showed how different cultures can view it- and in this particular case it led to awful, tragic events. It is kind of a scary thought to think that many people around the world feel no shame in committing acts such as those seen in the film because of their "loyalty to their country".







In this movie both countries showed natianlism. Even though the Israelis's backs were against the wall they still didn't give into the Palestinians. if they did what they wanted it would show weekness and in their situation they stayed strong. so i think the movie did a great job exposing the story and how natianalism is being portrayed.

steven staggs

I also got a different idea of nationalism from the video. The terrorists were really proud of what they did and felt it was for their country. Even though we don't agree with how they did it, they take a great deal of pride in it. I thought it was also interesting how normal life was outside of the events of that day. People were laying by the pool and playing ping pong almost like nothing was going on. Then, the fact that the German government could be involved in the release of the terrorists is confusing to me. But, at the same time I could see their point in just wanting to get rid of all evidence of that day.
Prior to watching the movie I had heard about the events but never knew too much about why and how it happened. I feel that the movie did a good job at putting together the details to pull emotion from the viewer, especially the pictures of the murdered bodies. Although that may have been disturbing to some, I feel that it showed how horrific this event was. After seeing this movie I feel sorrow for what happened and I also feel that all the countries came together to stand for what they believed in. Each country showed its own sense of nationalism and the movie showed that very well. As for nationalism being portrayed, the Israelis were not willing to give in to what the Palestinians wanted because then that would show defeat, although they were risking peoples lives they did it so that Israelis would not have any shame later in life. Also, Germany had a goal with the Olympic games and that was to show the world that they were good people and that their history was no more. I feel that Germany came together to prove this. The Palestinians came together as well and showed pride for their country, even though it was a negative way of showing it they still fought for their beliefs.
This film did expose me to different ideas of nationalism. I had known of the events that took place during the Olympic games in Munich, but I never knew of the national pride and beliefs of the Pakistani terrorists. Their actions can be seen as a form of nationalism since they were seen as heroes for their violent acts, but it is not the traditional nationalism that I imagine. I think of positive, peaceful support for ones country but this film showed me that with different views of life coming from the west and middle east, different ideas of nationalism are possible. What bothered me in the film is that it exposed how ignorant the Germans were in handling the whole situation. Germany had already made the history books and their country really couldn't afford any more destruction, but to let terrorists go in a cover up to protect their country and reputation is sad considering they had killed innocent athletes who were representing their country at a "peacful" event.
I didn't know much about his event before I watched the video and was shocked to see how some groups try to show nationalism. The only positive type of nationalism I saw was the athletes competing and representing there country in the Olympic Games. The Germans tried to use these games as a way to promote the new Germany to the rest of the world after what had happened there in previous years. They also set up the hijacking the clear there name from any possible future problems that would have existed. The Palestinians wanted to get there message out to the world and knew this would be a stage the whole world would be watching. It was sickening to watch the dead terrorists get a heroes welcome home and also when the only remaining living terrorist said he was proud of what he did. Those terrorists thought what they were doing was right though based on the history between the Israelis and them. It seemed that much of the nationalism in the video was based more on politics and power and not just showing pride in their country.
Ideas of nationalism were displayed when the Palestinians took the Israeli athletes as prisoners. It may not seem like it was to us or other viewers, but the Palestinians were looked at as doing a good deed for their country and they were very proud of it. Other forms of nationalism took place with the athletes that participated in olympics. They all looked at it as playing for their country and that its a big deal to succeed because if they didn't they might be looked down upon. Besides for the explanation of the whole situation in class i think it would have been helpful to have put something about the two countries history with each other. Sports wasn't really the main issue with this, I think the Palestinians used this because it was a big event and they would be able to let their voices be heard with the recent struggles between these countries. From this movie you could see the different forms of nationalism being used, though it may not have looked like the right thing to do but the Palestinians were still showing signs of nationalism for their country.
Nationalism is a good thing for one individual or a country as a whole to have to an extent. In being American I think our view point on certian topics can be very one-sided compared to other parts of the world. Furthermore, we see many of the world's different cultures be very radical and we are not used to this kind of devotion to one cause. Nonetheless, I believe that in this movie, nationalism was taken too far in targeting innocent bystanders like the athletes. I think it was Germany's responsibilty as a country to take inconsideration the severity of these events. These were people's lives, and for a country to only worry about what would benefit them personally i think is irresponsible and unethical and nationalism was taken way too far concerning both of the parties that were involved.
Im kind of on the same boat as Marcus. Im not so sure that what the terrorist's did was really nationalism. I think it was more about power over somebody then the love for there country. I think they loved there country dont get me wront, but the whole ordeal that happened I dont think was becasue of nationalism. The olypics are a great example of nationalism and having pride for your country and wanting to do good for them, but killing olympic athletes probably isnt going to look to good apon your country.
Im not fully convinced that what the Palenstinian terrorists did would be considered Nationalism. Nationalism is an extreme pride and honor of your country. This means showing the positives of your country and representing it positively to all the other countries around the world. Nationalism to me is honoring your country by representing them in the best way possible which included success in games, success in the global economy, helping other nations and being at peace. Kidnapping another teams civilians and killing them is a straight act of terrorism.
In watching this movie it is obvious to see there are two different forms of nationalism. The first being with German's Olympic Games. It stated that one of Germany's main reasons for wanting the games was to prove they were not the old Germany that consisted of Nazism and racism. This could have been the best way for them to prove their loyalty to the rest of the countries. In the end Palestinians had different ideas as to who would honored in these Olympic games and also turning it back on Germany. The Palestinians decided to take hostage some Olympic athletes from Israel. This was there way of showing nationalism, by plotting a terrorist attack. They showed their nationalism by doing this in thinking it would put their country on the map and show their dominance. They succeeded in this plot but in the end with killing all hostages but in the end left a bad message with their country with what seems could be like forever. I think this video really showed us a little bit of racism and nationalism and how it should be viewed. Especially in the way the Americans see it and how we want our nationalism to be viewed.
The viewing of this documentary really helped me understand the lengths some people will go to for their country. It also made me think about nationalism from my viewpoint and how glad I am to be an American. I don't have to worry about this kind of thing. Palestinian and Israeli conflicts have existed for a long time, and people have to live in fear everyday. The fact that terrorists used the Olympics as a way to get their prisoners free shows that these two countries have a lot of issues that will probably go on for a while. Nationalism has made these people go to extreme measures to get what they need. What should be of concern is that sport is supposed to be entertaining, not something that should be viewed in fear. Today, the world has a lot of turmoil, and unfortunately something like this could happen again. Nationalism should be expressed at the Olympics, that is why we have them. It unites countries to cheer for their their athletic teams. Unfortunately nationalism can go to far as we have seen in the Munich Games.
In my opinion there were two different aspects of nationalism in this video. The first being the Olympic games. Various countries from around the world coming together to not only compete against each other, but also compete with each other. This is suppose to be a time of peace and friendly competition, uniting the world. The art of sport can bring the world together at any time and it is seen through the olympics. Each nation is competing and giving their best efforts to win pride and excellence for their country. The athletes work very hard and are motivated by the efforts to support their nation any way they can.

However, the Palestinians did not see it as a time to bring everyone together, they saw this as an opportunity to put themselves and their nation on the global stage. By committing the acts that they did, they brought attention to themselves and felt as though they had a strong sense of nationalism by "fighting" for their country. In addition, the act they committed put others in danger which is the opposite goal of the Olympics. The fact that the Palestians struck fear into the hostages and members of the family and nation was definitely a sense of nationalism, but it had a negative affect on surrounding individuals, resulting in loss of lives and horrific memories. The Palestinians felt this was the best way to represent their people and felt as though violence was the answer to solving their problems. Unfortuantely, the fighting still continues and the violence did not solve any problems but instead, caused more hardships.

Nationalism

After viewing this video I was able to see the positive and negative aspects of nationalism. The positive aspects of nationalism took place because of the Olympic Games. Each person took pride in what they were doing, how they were acting and their athletic competitions because they were representing their country. They wore the colors of their country, matching uniforms and other clothing that represented where they were from. They not only honored their country but respect the other countries that compete in the games. The negative aspects of nationalism came when the Palestinians held the Israelites hostage. The Palestinians believed this was nationalism and a way to represent their country but it was over the top and had a negative effect on the other nations. Their excessive nationalism was the reason why this conflict happened. It was very sad to see that it came during one of the most honorable athletic contests for each nation throughout the world.

Thursday, November 12, 2009

Nationalism

There were many examples of nationalism in this video, however some people took their nationalism too far. The largest form of nationalism was visible with the Germans. The Olympics, as they usually do, spur nationalism. You can see it just by the way the people of Germany were walking around and by how they wanted the other nations to look at them. They wanted them to think that their country was awesome and have everyone have a good experience. Another way is how all of the different athletes were wearing clothes that represented their countries. This was true of the Isralis, which was one way of they way they were showing nationalism. They also showed it by being proud and representing their nation, same way as all of the athletes. Then there were the Palenstinians who took their nationalism too far. When they had a heroes welcome for the dead terrorists, it was another way of showing nationalism. They showed ways of how nationalism, or too much of it, can be a bad thing. They were almost too proud of their nation. That being said, I think it would have been very helpful for the filmmakers to give us some, or alot of background information about the ongoing fude between the Isralis and the Palestinians. That information would have been very helpful because I did not know very much about what they were and are fighting about and the reason behind taking the hostages.

I think that overall nationalism is a great thing. Having pride in your country is very important. However, I agree that too much nationalism can be dangerous, this was proven with the Palestinians. This is also a way how gangs can be so dangerous. I understand people being proud and wanting to protect their country, but people need to do so with letigation hopefully. However I do realize that letigation doesn't always work and sometimes people have to die for what is right, however I don't believe civilians should be targeted.

Metcalf- Nationalism

I really enjoyed this film because it gave good insight as to why this event actually occurred. A lot of times when you look at historic events like this you tend to think it was done by phsycotic people, this film shows a very different view. Not that I agree with what was done because it was horrible, but the film did do a good job of showing insight as to why these terrorist felt what they were doing was right. As far as nationalism goes, this film really scares me about the power that nationalism does have on people. It does bring a since of power and pride to people but this doesn't always necessarily mean that good things will be done for the world. Countries like Islam etc. that have a very strong religious culture really scare me when it comes to how strong their beliefs are and the things they will do for their country and their beliefs. We call them crazy but in their country they are looked on as heroes. If any one thing can be said about nationalism is that it does being a country together, but i don;t think it is accurate to define this bringing together as always a positive or good for humanity etc.
This movie made my think of nationalism in a new and different way. I always thought of nationalism as being proud or your country and being proud to be a citizen of that country. Of course this would often cause rivalries with other countries, but after viewing this movie I see that it can be used as a weapon of war. The movie made me feel that nationalism should sometimes not be as powerful as it is. It is good to have national pride, but not to the point were you hate everyone else. I felt very sad for the Israel team that were killed, especially because they committed no crime. I also was mad at the terrorist, but mostly I felt pity for them. They thought they were doing a justice by committing those acts. This was they way they felt Palestinians should act and that this was a way to viewed as national heroes.

One Day In September

Watching this movie, I was very intrigued about all aspects of what was going on. Having such a conflict like that of the Palestinans and Israelites (Jews) spill over into the Olympic games is pretty nuts to think about. How things were handled in this situation was even more hard to believe. A serious case of Palestinian nationalism was the driving force behind everything that happened that day in September. Their belief in the Revolutionary soldiers and believing this was the right way to handle it expresses the high amount of nationalism that was going on here. Contrasting the Palestinans' nationalism, the Israelites had their own form of nationalism in which they stuck to the way they handled hostage situations. They simply did not deal with them, and no matter how bad this situation was, they were going to stick with the way they have done things all along.

One Day in September

Prior to viewing the film, I knew about the conflict, but never the story or motives behind it. The key behind the whole conflict was nationalism. The Palestinians did horrible things all for their nationalist cause. They used the games as a vehicle to promote this cause to the world. The games which were supposed to be about the advancement of mankind and peaceful competition, were turned into a show of violent nationalism. The national conflict was broadcast to the world. If you look at it all of the conflicts today are manly caused by nationalism, and nationalism was behind this incident as well.